In addition, I could try to arrange for a PR storm once MNs are ready to be pushed to the main network.

Quote from: njs811 on March 15, 2015, 03:40:35 am

Quote from: Gladimor on March 15, 2015, 12:44:17 am

In addition, I could try to arrange for a PR storm once MNs are ready to be pushed to the main network.

a PR storm would shoot the price up drastically. I look forward to this day.

The trouble is, there's no evidence to suggest this will be the case. A PR storm will need to promote qualities of the coin - where are you going to start: “no pools”? Can't use that. “Instantx”? Can't use that either, DASH intends to trademark the term. “Masternodes”? ditto. No, the appropriate time for a PR release is when there are solid, currently-exclusive tech advances for people to talk about and riff off; PR material is for use by others and they need the story explaining to them in words of not more than two syllables.

I'm ambivalent about continuing my engagement with Spreadcoin, I'm seeing the same mistakes being made and I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the effort.

Cheers

Graham

Quote from: gjhiggins on March 15, 2015, 02:11:06 pm

Quote from: njs811 on March 15, 2015, 03:40:35 am

Quote from: Gladimor on March 15, 2015, 12:44:17 am

In addition, I could try to arrange for a PR storm once MNs are ready to be pushed to the main network.

a PR storm would shoot the price up drastically. I look forward to this day.

The trouble is, there's no evidence to suggest this will be the case. A PR storm will need to promote qualities of the coin - where are you going to start: “no pools”? Can't use that. “Instantx”? Can't use that either, DASH intends to trademark the term. “Masternodes”? ditto. No, the appropriate time for a PR release is when there are solid, currently-exclusive tech advances for people to talk about and riff off; PR material is for use by others and they need the story explaining to them in words of not more than two syllables.

I'm ambivalent about continuing my engagement with Spreadcoin, I'm seeing the same mistakes being made and I'm beginning to wonder whether it's worth the effort.

Cheers

Graham

I have been advocating many times that we should not use terms like masternodes, darksend and instantx.
Instead of masternodes we can use the word servernode or servicenode. This makes much more sense.
Also, if we make it sound as generic as possible then nobody can possibly trademark it. And that's a good thing.

I mean I understand the wish some people have to trademark the name of a coin for identity reasons,
but to start naming and trademarking certain algorithms and features completely baffles me
and is one of the reasons I don't want to have anything to do anymore with darkcoin.

But think about it: Servernodes or Servicenodes.

I see a future where our servicenodes will be built in a certain way that will allow an owner to create and run any plugin he wishes on it.

Stay tuned for freedom

Quote from: Gladimor on March 15, 2015, 10:13:45 pm

Another remark I would like to make is that we should self-moderate the new ANN to prevent bashers and shills from giving SPR a bad appearance. I have seen so much of those people in the original ANN, I am beginning to wonder maybe that is one of the reasons for Mr. Spread's disappearance.

You know my stance on self-moderation: we can't let the trolls influence us to the extent that we desire self-moderation.
We want freedom, not control.

I understand your concerns, but trolls are like bad weather.... they come and go.
Don't give them to much attention.

A self-moderated thread tells the whole community: "look at those losers, the trolls scared them for good!"

Quote from: chrysophylax on March 16, 2015, 01:08:51 am

Quote from: georgem on March 15, 2015, 11:54:40 pm

Quote from: Gladimor on March 15, 2015, 10:13:45 pm

Another remark I would like to make is that we should self-moderate the new ANN to prevent bashers and shills from giving SPR a bad appearance. I have seen so much of those people in the original ANN, I am beginning to wonder maybe that is one of the reasons for Mr. Spread's disappearance.

You know my stance on self-moderation: we can't let the trolls influence us to the extent that we desire self-moderation.
We want freedom, not control.

I understand your concerns, but trolls are like bad weather.... they come and go.
Don't give them to much attention.

A self-moderated thread tells the whole community: "look at those losers, the trolls scared them for good!"

i dont totally agree with that sentiment - but then - im one of those people that doesnt like sifting through mountains of text on a screen for the nugget of information that i need because too many morons are filling the pages with shit ...

when it comes to a good thread about the qualities ( good and bad ) of a project - then it should never be cluttered with garbage ...

just good 'clean' details and info about the project itself .. thats it ...

#crysx

Yes, but for the clean details we have spreadcointalk.

Just look at the price of DRK. Wouldn't it be a fantastic accomplishment if we could reach that level? Yet they still deal with FUD on a daily basis.  It stinks to sift through, but we are a strong community with a good coin. We need people to know that we can take whatever punch is thrown at us.

//And I am in support of the name Servernodes. It's self-explanatory to the everyday user. Instead of instantx what about quickspread?

Quote from: georgem on March 16, 2015, 02:33:13 am

Quote from: njs811 on March 16, 2015, 01:57:35 am

Just look at the price of DRK. Wouldn't it be a fantastic accomplishment if we could reach that level? Yet they still deal with FUD on a daily basis.  It stinks to sift through, but we are a strong community with a good coin. We need people to know that we can take whatever punch is thrown at us.

//And I am in support of the name Servernodes. It's self-explanatory to the everyday user. Instead of instantx what about quickspread?

Maybe we can abandon this whole instantx algorithm and make our servicenodes/servernodes (can't yet decide what sounds better, lol) do something completely different?

I definitely second that idea. If we continue with instantx it will seem like we are following DASH.  InstantX is a neat idea, but it's such a small idea in comparison to the possibilities.

Quote from: njs811 on March 15, 2015, 08:03:04 pm

What mistakes are you seeing?

Would take too long to explain in detail, my background and experience gives me a view that's radically different from most. With all due respect to georgem's initiative in setting up a poll, all such informal exercises conducted on bulletin boards are simply ill-founded and produce results which are indistinguishable from a purely random choice. The people being polled are an unrepresentative sample of the user population and the poll results will be inevitably skewed by that factor. Finding acceptable and properly meaningful labels for technological features is not a trivial matter and is far too important to usability to be abandoned to a skewed plebiscite.

Now we've got a bunch of people who think the feature is going to be called "spreadnodes" which is a bit of a disaster for usability because it gives the user no help whatsoever in creating a shallow but functionally adequate model of the underpinning tech.

There was never a question in the first place: there is no branding programme in process, so there are no branding issues to consider, it is a usability issue plain and simple and so the answer is “service node”. Anyone who wants to launch an informed challenge to the analysis is perfectly free to do so and I would welcome the chance to refine our notions.

I think I'd challenge the consensus with: “Great, you’ve collectively chosen ‘spreadnode’. Now your task is to write the user documentation for this feature in such a way that new users can trivially comprehend the notion. It’s a shame that you didn't choose ‘servicenode’, that would have made the documentation task so much easier.”

Cheers

Graham